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tsvikac
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:35 pm    Post subject: xj black daimond 3 inch lift Reply with quote

Hello
does anyone have expiriance with this lift kit
1) is it soft or firm than stock for drive
2) does a 98 xj need to change to sye+cv drivesaft with that kit
3) what extras are recomended with this kit that not include
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since its a 3" lift i dont think you will need a SYE.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once i had a 2001 XJ.
I got the RE 6030 3.5 kit and i couldn't get uot and stop the driveline vibs'
that is the reason that i'm askink abuot the black daimond kit
the RE 6030 kit gives much more then 3.5 lift and i try to lower the trans'
and i play withe the rear driveshat angels and nothing help .
some pepole told me that 97+ XJ can't be lift more then 2 ince without driveline vibs'
can someone give me more information or expiriance with this kit.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't give you first hand experiance on Black Diamond...but I can tell you this:
00 and 01 are really prone to vibes due to the low pinion front axle. Once you get to 3" or higher on those two model years it can get ugly.

At 3" you should be alright on 97-99...worst case scenario a t-case drop will sove any driveline vibes. Plenty of folks run RE 3.5" kits with t-case drops on XJ's through 99 with no problems.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello to you thephantum
are you shure that the 97-99 are o.k and they are not like the 2001.
because from what i knew the differance with the trans' rear output came from modeles 96 and below.
you wrote this :
"Rear Driveshaft - The rear is a one-piece shaft with standard u-joints at both ends. The slip yoke is located on the output shaft of the transfer case. On 84-95 models, the yoke slides in and out of the transfer case and is lubricated by the ATF fluid internally. On 96-01 due to a design change, the slip yoke is external (does not slide in and out of the transfer case). This slip yoke is covered with a rubber boot. "


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

His would be 4 coils all the way around right? So wouldn't the lift laws of a Tj apply then?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith - All XJ's have leaf springs in the rear.

True, the design changes to the slip yoke that came in 96 can cause problems with vibrations, but in regards to rear vibes, they usually don't manifest themselves until lift heights of around 3 or more inches. If vibes do develop at 3", a 1" t-case drop will solve them. (The flip side of this is prior to 96, you could go 5" with a t-case drop and be fine)

These are general rules however...every XJ is different. Some had vibe problems driving off the lot with the upcountry package (1" lift).

00-01's are really prone to front end vibes because the front axle pinion is lower than on earlier XJ's, which causes problems at lower lift heights.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you this is the ansewr that i wanted to know.
i understand that there are changes in the rear output in 96
and in the front driveshaft in 00
this why my 2001 XJ didn't "want" to be "quite" with RE 6030 kit
I still don't understend why the guyes in RE technical dip' didn't say anything about this problem , they only said to lower the trans and play with the rear angels .
and i play & play & play 0.5 lower 1.0 lower 2.0 lower and and then with shimes 1* 2* until 4 degress + and - nothing relly stoped the vibs they were somtimes strong and somtimes little but they were a
alwayes there.
Don't forget that i'm over seas and to buy the kit is twaicer more than in the Usa, and there is no way to give it back.
also the kit was vary stiff vary vary stiff onroad and i checked the car
how it flexes with the original suspension disconected and it was better in 2 inches with the original then wite the RE 3.5 kit (6030)yes yes who want to see can check it out.
so for now i'm looking for a better set for my 98 VM 2.5 TD 5 manual XJ
like skyjacker or teraflex i want a kit wicha will flex smoother softer $ higer than the original.
although i know that the RE is the best seller in Us or m i wrong.
can someone help me or guide me for good answers.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So on my 01' a 1" t-case drop will help out the vibrations?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huey wrote:
So on my 01' a 1" t-case drop will help out the vibrations?


It should. That's what I've been waiting for with my 3" lift, to see if it starts shuddering. Then I'll go with the same t-case drop to see if it will even out yet. I've been fortunate so far (knock wood) to not have Death Wobble effect come up, but I'm still making some minor adjustments to my ride here and there. I'm getting ready to strip out the old leaf springs with the AAL in the middle and pop in a 3" Black Diamond Superflex leaf pack to allow the rear to flex out more. I'm also adding bumpstop plates and added rear bumpstops to keep the rear pack from slapping the chassis around and bowing out prematurely.

tsvikac - I also own the Skyjacker 3" pack, and except for the AALs (add-a-leaf springs) it's a great pack. I would spend more on the kit and get the Superflex pack, and call up DPG for the bumpstop plates though.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Drake69
i see that you have the 3 skyjakcer front springs and lower armes
1) what kind of armes you have ?(i knew that they have basic armes
and special armes with one or two eyes that roll in like the RE superflex armes)
2) how the front springs are? smote or firmer than the stock ones.
3) in the rear you have the AAL leaf and you intend to replace it with the backdaimond leaf pack-why did you chouse the balckdaimond and not the skyjacker pack
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tsvikac wrote:
Hello Drake69
i see that you have the 3 skyjakcer front springs and lower armes
1) what kind of armes you have ?(i knew that they have basic armes
and special armes with one or two eyes that roll in like the RE superflex armes)
2) how the front springs are? smote or firmer than the stock ones.
3) in the rear you have the AAL leaf and you intend to replace it with the backdaimond leaf pack-why did you chouse the balckdaimond and not the skyjacker pack
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1: Just the standard extended LCA's, nothing fancy like the adjustable ones, although that might be in the works for a future upgrade.
2: Definitely firmer all-around. The stocks are nice and stiff which I like a lot. It helps me "feel" the terrain better.
3: The Black Diamond springs were readily available here, whereas I had to wait a good while for the Skyjacker kit to be sent. The springs are definitely a good buy, and will probably perform just like the Superflex pack springs Skyjacker offers, since they are made the same way.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Drake69

2: Definitely firmer all-around. The stocks are nice and stiff which I like a
lot. It helps me "feel" the terrain better.


exuse me i didn't understend
are saying that the skyjajker front springs are smother & softer than
the original springs.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, actually the harder the ride, the easier it is to feel bumps and divots in the terrain. Yes, it makes for a bouncier experience, but it also clues you in to the style of the terrain, how your driveline feels, etc. It's a preferrance more than anything.
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