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nikon
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:38 pm    Post subject: Can we talk snorkels for a minute? Reply with quote

So I was thinking about air flow a little bit the other day and was thinking of the best way make the engine run. Since 'cold air intakes' are seemingly getting more and more popular I was thinking about a simple cold air intake kit or the like. Then I was thinking of a cone filter and things like that trying to figure the best option and what would make an engine run the best. My thoughts led to towards a snorkel. With a cone you are increasing air flow but it's all gonn abe hot/warm air unless you stick the cone through your hood - but that causes a whole nother list of problems. Then I was thinking about the cold air intake and even though you can through a heat shield around her - you still succomb to the engine heat, even with the heat shield. So I was thinking that a snorkel would get you out of the engine bay and get you to the colder air.
First off - am I right in thinking this?
A lot of people will certainly disagree with me but I think that they look kool too.
Are there problems with running a snorkel? Do you filter a snorkel anywhere? Never looked too deeply into them but in the thought process od air flow, snorkel came into mind.
Thoughts? Anyone have one?

waht about running a tube through the firewall and into the cowl where the air intake for your heat and air flow to the cab is? Anyone done this?

I know this is getting long (longer than I thought) but I have already removed the air restrictor but I want to take it another step or further in the future. dancing banana bud
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched the Jeep Wrangle build thingy on TV this afternoon. They fitted a snorkel and they replaced the airfilter afterwards.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Can we talk snorkels for a minute? Reply with quote

nikon wrote:
waht about running a tube through the firewall and into the cowl where the air intake for your heat and air flow to the cab is? Anyone done this?

Check this one out. I also sent the author a PM to see if he has any advice for you. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Can we talk snorkels for a minute? Reply with quote

Code3TJ wrote:
nikon wrote:
waht about running a tube through the firewall and into the cowl where the air intake for your heat and air flow to the cab is? Anyone done this?

Check this one out. I also sent the author a PM to see if he has any advice for you. Cool


THat is quite the write-up... Thanks a lot. I appreciate the PM too. Sounds like a neat little project and not that expensive. Does anyone know why he mentions getting another airbox? Just incase you F-up?

Along the same lines...the other tube that comes off the airbox in a YJ as it is - is that supposed to go to anything? When I bought mine it was just hanging there towards the firewall but not going to anything. I haven't looked in a while so I am trying to recall from a month+ ago but as you stand in front of the YJ - it comes off the right side of the box and doesn't go anywhere really.... Should this concern me?

Many of you probably already know this but I am mechanically declined and I know so little about engines and how things run - I blame dad for this - if he has a problem he goes to the mechanic and doesn't even pop the hood (even goes to his mechanic to get air in his tires - that I can do....)

Thanks for the help folks and bare with my questions. Thanks Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he bought a second air tube so he could splice them together for the length to reach the firewall. Also hit up K9Jeep - he built a pretty slick snorkle. As for the tube you've got hanging, I'm not real familiar with YJ's but it might be the vent tube for the PCV.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where the hell is mcgawb anyways, didn't someone send him a invite?!

I did a write-up a while ago, here.. http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28616

Since 2001, its held together quite good. A few months ago I changed the intake to a traditional and more functional look. bud

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent him a couple but meethinks he's ignoring me. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell.. SOmeone get him over here...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey K9 Are you going to put that writeup over here or do I have to book mark it there...


Very nice job by the way...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, some of us don't like going over there anymore. You might be able to get it posted under the tech writeups on this site too. That would be sweet.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K9Jeep wrote:
Where the hell is mcgawb anyways, didn't someone send him a invite?!

I heard he died... Mr. Green
just been very busy with a new contract and spending less time in the boards last few weeks.

The reason I got a second airbox was easy...that was the only way I could get my hands on the tube (I just wanted the stock tube). I cut the stock tube (took out a couple of inches) to make it fit. If you want you could use the flex intake tubing the ricers use (Autozone). That flex tubing is actually a cheaper route to go anyway...I just wanted the stock looking tube. You can email me direct or post question here if you can think of any.

I like K9's snorkel alot, If you need a true snorkel his project is the one you want to look at. I didn't really need a true snorkel since I figure if I am in that much water I have other more serious issues to worry about Wink

this is where I was saturday:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K9 are you going to post that writeup here or what?? Very Happy

Comeon... Or Ill make one of those and steal your writeup and pretend its mine... Laugh
Might look better on a ZJ anyway... Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is actually an interesting topic of discussion. It is true that snorkels will give you cooler air than the OEM box, but just as important is the air velocity and just how many twists and turns it has to take to get to the TB.
Obviously the best scenario would be an element as low to the ground as possible (coolest possible air), but being as short and straight as possible getting to the TB.

IMHO the best all around setup is Bill's "hack a tube" CAI. I am currently using it and think its performs wonderfully for the cost of K&N filter. You remove all the OEM restrictions and get cooler air by placing the filter in an open area away from the motor.

The only advantage I see with a snorkel is for water fording. I just don't think you will get better performance with it, especially if your still using the OEM air box and ribbed tubing.

Just my .02

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KnightFire wrote:
This is actually an interesting topic of discussion. It is true that snorkels will give you cooler air than the OEM box, but just as important is the air velocity and just how many twists and turns it has to take to get to the TB.
Obviously the best scenario would be an element as low to the ground as possible (coolest possible air), but being as short and straight as possible getting to the TB.

IMHO the best all around setup is Bill's "hack a tube" CAI. I am currently using it and think its performs wonderfully for the cost of K&N filter. You remove all the OEM restrictions and get cooler air by placing the filter in an open area away from the motor.

The only advantage I see with a snorkel is for water fording. I just don't think you will get better performance with it, especially if your still using the OEM air box and ribbed tubing.

Just my .02

KnightFire


Can you throw down a little more information about this one.?. What "hack a tube" are you speaking of?

I am unsure still if I would like to go with a true snorkel or not becuase I do not do a ton of water crossing that are deep enough to worry about it. I think that they are kool no doubt but when people see them they don't think of air flow and it's benefits - they think of crossing water. I really like macb's setup a lot. I like the 'stealthiness' of it and when someone were to look at your engine they would get a bit confused I think. As I have mentioned before - I am not at all mechanically inclined so I would probably have to get some help with either one. I thank you all for your ideas and comments and apologize for my lack of posting recently 9I am ssure you all missed me terribly Very Happy ) but my pc broke - on wifey's now and I can check again when I am at work but for a week or so i am down to limited posting.

Has anyone simply cut out the airbox and just stuck on a cone filter? no heat shield or anything? just stick that SOB on there? Just curious if that did anything positive at all.

One more ?? for now..... I took out the air restictor at the connector coming out of the box. I have heard rumors of there being another one.?. Where might this second one be?

Thanks folks
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did the "hack-a-tube" to mine and am considering moving it back to the stock setup. The location of the filter right now just doesn't seem like it's getting any cool air and it's exposed to any kinda debris that kicks up inside the engine compartment. I wasn't expecting any real performance gains, but I was hoping for a little better mileage and haven't seen that. Just my opinion, but all I've done with this is suck in more hot air and need to recharge the filter more often due to underhood residue. Here's a pic...

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