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Loaded Concealed Weapons in National Parks


 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Loaded Concealed Weapons in National Parks Reply with quote

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/13/guns.park/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one, hope the law gets changed. The criminals don't pay attention to laws, and carry where they feel the least resistance can be met.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are a couple of links about the carrying of weapons in the National Park System, the last link is to make your own comments about the rule change. The key idea is to mandate that the NPS follow the state laws for the carrying of weapons for where the park is located. Its not strickly about carrying concealed weapons, if your state allows openly carrying weapons in state parks you would also be able to do that in the National Parks in that state also. Virginia requires that you only conceal carry in state parks if you have a permit, no open carry, however, they restrick local governments from making any rules about the manner in which you carry a handgun. I carry either way depending on what is legal for the location.

If you have an opinion, let your thoughts be known on the Rules Change link.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/13032.html

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main?main=DocumentDetail&o=090000648064bab5
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I brought this over from the VCDL web site, exercise your rights to let the government know what you want them to do.

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The Department of the Interior has extended the comment period on allowing lawful carry of firearms in National Parks until August 8th (it was supposed to end on June 30th).

Why?

Because pro-gun comments have dwarfed the anti-liberty crowd and there are some, including some Congressmen, who don't like that.

The delay allows the dark side to organize against us.

But they underestimate gun owners. We will NOT give in! Instead we will use the delay to continue pounding for carry in National Parks.

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ACTION ITEM

Spread this alert item on the Internet far and wide so we can get more and more gun owners to send in their comments. Send this to friends, family, coworkers.

If we do that and drive our numbers up, we can continue to bury the other side with pro-liberty comments!

If you have already contacted the Department of the Interior (DOI) to allow carry in parks, DO IT AGAIN!

To comment on the proposed rule, click here:

http://tinyurl.com/5juwn3

For "Submitter's Representative," type in your Congressman's name. Mine is "Congressman Eric Cantor"
For "Agency Type," select: FEDERAL
For "Government Agency," select: DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

SUGGESTED "GENERAL COMMENT" TEXT:

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Pursuant to the US Supreme Court decision in District of Columbia vs. Dick Heller, both the existing and proposed National Park Service & National Wildlife Refuge weapons regulations are invalid, unconstitutional and void. The Virginia Citizens Defense League and over 4 dozen co-petitioning organizations advised the Parks service of this as long ago as 2004. Since the holding in Heller is that their total ban on handguns infringes the 2nd Amendment, DOI and NPS should accept the VCDL petition language as follows and implement the regulation IMMEDIATELY after the comment period closing.

Under existing legal doctrine, once a law is held unconstitutional, it is stricken; in the case of the park service CFR 36, regulation 2.4, it is almost exactly the same as the District of Columbia, and therefore void. Further, the DOI proposed regulation with it's flawed "analogous state lands" language and is thereby also in violation since any state level bans on bearing arms in analogous state lands would also be implicated under Heller. The Department of the Interior is hereby instructed to IMMEDIATELY amend the current regulations pursuant to the VCDL petition language, copied below and the decision of the US Supreme court rendered in Heller. The Supreme Court held that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right protecting the rights to keep arms and bear arms which supersedes CFR 36 regulation 2.4.

While I support the proposed change to permit loaded firearms / weapons in National Parks and Wildlife refuges, the proposed regulation should be amended as follows:

"A person may possess, carry, and transport loaded, and operable firearms or other weapons within a national park area in the same manner, and to the same extent, that a person may lawfully possess, carry, and transport loaded and operable firearms or other weapons in the state in which the federal park, or that portion thereof, is located, provided that such possession, carrying and transporting otherwise complies with applicable federal and state law."

And for National Wildlife Refuges:"

A person may possess, carry, and transport loaded, and operable firearms or other weapons within a national wildlife refuge area in the same manner, and to the same extent, that a person may lawfully possess, carry, and transport loaded and operable firearms or other weapons in the state in which the federal wildlife refuge, or that portion thereof, is located, provided that such possession, carrying and transporting otherwise complies with applicable federal and state law."


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting..

On a simular note.. There was a guy who was arrested for Open carry here in Louisiana about 2 years ago..
Open carry is legal in Louisiana but the DA of the town didnt care .. He thought he would put the law to the test..

about 2 weeks ago.. He found out that this is not the place for sillyness.. He not only lost the case but the person who was arrested filed a wrongful arrest law suit and a civil suit against the DA and the town... And won ... So far an undisclosed amount... Im willing to guess it was a decent amount..

Either way.. Lesson learned ..
I am also willing to bet the DA 's term will not go beyond this election...

Hope I am right... The last thing we need is another idiot in public office trying to enforce his own opinions rather than the actual laws..
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